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The moment you release the brake from waiting at a traffic light, the car comes forward with a “thud”, or on the contrary, it does not move at all and moves one tempo behind……
There are many consultations about “creep not stable” at VW, especially in dry 7-speed DSG (DQ200) This is a common symptom.
It can be a precursor to a major failure, or it can also be caused by a simple control misalignment or dirt in the intake system.
In this article, we will summarize the causes and how to distinguish when creeps appear or do not appear in an easy-to-understand manner.
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- Common symptoms
- There are four main causes.
- Cause (1) 😀 SG clutch control misalignment and wear (most important point)
- Cause (2): Idle is not stable due to dirt on the throttle and airflow
- Cause (3): Weak ignition system (plug coil)
- Cause (4): Deterioration of engine and mission mount
- Points that can be checked in DIY
- Is it okay to drive? (Urgency)
- Approximate repair cost
- Related parts to check at the same time
- Conclusion
- Defect details by vehicle type
- Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)
Common symptoms
- The car does not start moving even when the brake is released.
- The timing of movement varies from day to day
- Weak ability to move forward
- On the other hand, there are times when you suddenly step forward with a “goof”
- Stop-start jerks
- The start of movement is especially unstable on uphill slopes
- It tends to get worse in the cold
There are four main causes.
- DSG clutch control misalignment and wear (most common)
- Idle instability due to dirt in the intake system and sensor deterioration
- Weak ignition system does not produce low-speed torque
- Unable to absorb shaking due to deterioration of the engine/transmission mount
Cause (1) 😀 SG clutch control misalignment and wear (most important point)
Common symptoms
- Creep is weak
- The time before it starts to move is varied
- Shocked by the connection between D→R and R→D
Why does it happen?
VW’s dry 7-speed DSG (DQ200) is an “artificial creep” method that “artificially creates creep” while adjusting the
position of the half-clutch electronically.
Therefore,
- Clutch wear
- Temperature Compensation Deviation
- Bias in learning values
- Mechatronics operating errors.
If there is, the creep will not be stable.
Especially as wear progresses,
- “Connection position” is misaligned
- Half a crab time is longer
- → Weakening/delaying the start of movement
This phenomenon is more likely to occur.
If left unattended?
- Worsening jerk at start
- Increased shock
- It can eventually lead to problems that do not fit in gear
Cause (2): Idle is not stable due to dirt on the throttle and airflow
Symptoms
- The rotation drops only the moment you release the brake.
- Weak/slow start of movement
- Torque at the start of the run varies
Why?
Creep uses “idle torque”,
so if the idle is unstable, the creep will also be unstable.
Especially
- Dirt on the throttle valve
- Reduced power of the airflow sensor
If there is, the torque put in by the ECU changes every time,
- Coming out or not coming out
- One day I come forward strongly
It leads to unstable movement.
Cause (3): Weak ignition system (plug coil)
Symptoms
- Creep is weak only in the morning
- There is a slight vibration
- Difficult to produce low-speed torque
Why?
If the combustion is not stable, the idle torque will also be unstable.
If the ignition coil or plug is deteriorating,
- The idol misfires slightly
- No torque when cold
→ Weak creep
In a typical flow.
Cause (4): Deterioration of engine and mission mount
Symptoms
- Large shaking at the start
- Creep shock increases
- A feeling of jerk remains.
Why?
The mount is responsible for absorbing vibrations.
When this place deteriorates,
- Clutch connection directly to the car body
- “Booming” and “booming” shaking occurred
Apart from weak or strong creep, it is a type of symptom that increases “unnatural shaking”.
So there are three options
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One point
Even if you think it’s okay because you can run, you’re actually holding a bomb that you don’t know when it will explode.
The sooner you move, the less cost and damage you will have.
Points that can be checked in DIY
- Warms up and heals → DSG temperature compensation or intake compensation problems
- Weak only on hills → Clutch wear is suspected
- It shakes only in the morning → Ignition system or mounting possibility
- D→R switching with large shock → DSG control misalignment or mounting
- Even more unstable with the air conditioner on → High possibility of the intake system
*Since it is difficult to judge, we recommend a factory inspection.
Is it okay to drive? (Urgency)
- There are days when it doesn’t work completely: danger (DSG harbinger of serious trouble)
- There are days when creep is weak and days when it is strong: medium (DSG control misalignment)
- Large shaking or shock: medium (mounted or intake or DSG)
- Heals after warming up: Low to medium (easy to improve with early inspection)
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Approximate repair cost
| Work Description | Approximate cost |
|---|---|
| DSG Learning Value Reset | 5,000 to 15,000 yen |
| Throttle Cleaning | 5,000 to 15,000 yen |
| Airflo replacement | 15,000 to 30,000 yen |
| Ignition Coil Replacement | 15,000 to 35,000 yen |
| Mount replacement | 20,000 to 50,000 yen |
| DSG Clutch Replacement | 120,000 to 200,000 yen |
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Related parts to check at the same time
- DSG Clutch Actuation Value (Basic)
- Mechatronics Working Pressure
- Throttle valve dirt
- Airflow Sensor Output
- Plug Coil
- Mount crack
- Idle control value
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Conclusion
Creep is created by the idle torque of the engine and the clutch control of the DSG, so it will be unstable if there is a fault on both the engine side and the mission side.
If the strength of the movement varies depending on the day, or if it is weak only in the morning, an early inspection is recommended. In some cases, it appears as a precursor to a major breakdown, so be careful.
Even if the symptoms are similar, the causes vary from vehicle to vehicle.
Even if it is the same “creep instability”, there are various causes such as DSG control, air intake system, ignition system, mount, etc.
If you are unsure, do not overdo it and have it inspected at a maintenance shop.
Defect details by vehicle type
Although the “way of getting out” the defect is similar, “which model has many problems” is slightly different for each car model.
Trends by vehicle model and common breakdown cases among other owners are summarized on the following page.
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Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)
Q1. Is it a breakdown that creep has weak and strong days?
It may be a harbinger of a breakdown. The start of movement may change depending on the temperature and conditions of the day, such as deviation in the learning value of the DSG clutch, wear, and dirt in the intake system. If there are days when you don’t move completely, it’s a red flag.
Q2. Is it normal for creeps to be weak only in winter mornings?
It is not uncommon for it to become slightly weaker, but if there are symptoms such as delayed movement or large shock, problems with the ignition system, intake system, and clutch control may be hidden. If it continues regardless of the season, we recommend checking it.
Q3. If you can run if you step on the accelerator even though there is no creep, is it okay to drive?
At least you can run, but it is not safe. If the creep does not appear, it is a state where the position of the half-cra is not grasped, and the DSG problem may be progressing. We recommend early diagnosis.
Q4. Is it possible to just clean the throttle or replace the airflo?
It is. In particular, creep defects with unstable idling are often improved by dirt in the intake system. However, if the cause is on the DSG side, it will not improve.
Q5. Is the jerking in D→R or R→D related to the creep problem?
Closely related. If the clutch actuation position is misaligned or the mount deteriorates, the front and rear connections will be disturbed, making it easy to creep instability and shock at the same time. Both are important signs of DSG inspection.
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